tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post7138271483102753790..comments2023-11-23T11:12:37.953-06:00Comments on The Supplement - Catholic Commentary: Catholicism is not Semi-Pelagian - Response to TurretinfanFred Noltiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-26619841930677259912010-11-09T22:22:33.514-06:002010-11-09T22:22:33.514-06:00Hi SwissWiss,
Thanks for stopping by, and thanks ...Hi SwissWiss,<br /><br />Thanks for stopping by, and thanks for your comments. I wasn't aware of that specific link, but it's not surprising that Sproul says that, unfortunately. He was tossing around fairly vitriolic language at his denomination's general assembly a few years ago in relation to a group of his fellows who hold to what he thinks is something "contrary to the Fred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-53841105763573936762010-11-09T06:14:18.346-06:002010-11-09T06:14:18.346-06:00Although this thread is dormant, for sake of compl...Although this thread is dormant, for sake of completeness, you should known the charge of Catholics being semi-Plegian comes from the popular evangelical Protestant author, R.C.Sproul at http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/battle-grace-alone/SwissWisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709470571671356278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-30690180204268623312008-03-04T22:26:00.000-06:002008-03-04T22:26:00.000-06:00Thank you, sir :-) I will, to quote from a certain...Thank you, sir :-) I will, to quote from a certain <A HREF="http://imdb.com/title/tt0075029/" REL="nofollow">great movie</A>, "endeavor to persevere" in my feeble efforts here. But hopefully I won't have to declare war on the Union. :-)<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>RdPFred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-49052044027969594182008-03-04T14:10:00.000-06:002008-03-04T14:10:00.000-06:00Yes, that's it exactly. I chose to route to that s...Yes, that's it exactly. I chose to route to that site so there would be no cries of Catholic bias. Keep up the fine work. And, since we're in March now and St. Patrick's Day will be eclipsed this year, let me say "Dia's Mhuire dhuit!"Mike Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00854620298988801571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-13334191981472708962008-03-04T05:56:00.000-06:002008-03-04T05:56:00.000-06:00Out of fairness to Turretinfan I have added an upd...Out of fairness to Turretinfan I have added an update clarifying my intent in the post.<BR/><BR/>I hope that this satisfies. :-)<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>RdPFred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-64983124705691555922008-03-04T04:38:00.000-06:002008-03-04T04:38:00.000-06:00Hello Mike,Thank you very much!Is this the page yo...Hello Mike,<BR/><BR/>Thank you very much!<BR/><BR/>Is <A HREF="http://www.reformed.org/documents/canons_of_orange.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> the page you meant?<BR/><BR/>If so...I certainly should have added stuff from there to my post. Like:<BR/><BR/><I>CANON 18. That grace is not preceded by merit. Recompense is due to good works if they are performed; but grace, to which we have no claim, Fred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-30113390681118861072008-03-03T13:00:00.000-06:002008-03-03T13:00:00.000-06:00Well. It didn't work. You can find it on CRTA.org ...Well. It didn't work. You can find it on CRTA.org website in their confessions section of the Historical Documents page.Mike Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00854620298988801571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-409131262760114662008-03-03T12:58:00.000-06:002008-03-03T12:58:00.000-06:00Reginald, I think your work on this post is magnif...Reginald, I think your work on this post is magnificent. My guess is TF, in accusing the RCC of Semi-Pelagianism, has not considered the ramifications of Second Orange, which Calvinists love to quote. Pay particular attention to the final phrase of Canon 20. Here's a link: http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html<BR/><BR/>Sorry I don't know how to do that without posting the whole hyperlink.<Mike Burgesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00854620298988801571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-74283914764834352012008-03-02T18:06:00.000-06:002008-03-02T18:06:00.000-06:00Hello Turretinfan,One cannot be semi-[something] w...Hello Turretinfan,<BR/><BR/>One cannot be semi-[something] without having some characteristics of the [something]. Otherwise, it seems to me that to call him semi-[something] is just irrational. Would you not agree?<BR/><BR/>If I call Joe-Bob "semi-Calvinist" for example, it's reasonable for my listeners to conclude that I mean Joe-Bob has some characteristics of a Calvinist [but not all of them]Fred Noltiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10203885485191808284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5239290722575996816.post-5777200554934816702008-03-02T17:47:00.000-06:002008-03-02T17:47:00.000-06:00More later.This for now: "By this he obviously mea...More later.<BR/><BR/>This for now: "By this he obviously means that in some sense, or in some way, or to some extent, the Catholic Church is Pelagian. But this is absurd on the face of it."<BR/><BR/>I refer you to item 3 of "what we do not mean" and item 4 of "we admit."<BR/><BR/>I'm having trouble seeing this as a <I>bona fide</I> response, with that kind of comment.<BR/><BR/>-TurretinfanTurretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.com